So torture was effective.
That's what our former Veep says, and a host of high-ranking intelligence officials back him up.
What we don't know is if we could have gotten the same (or similar) information using less harsh techniques.
The beef, as I see it, is this: even if the methods we used were effective in gaining "high value" intelligence, at what cost?
I maintain that our standing in the world's community — my "good word" — is much more important than an immediate resort to torture (according to what we're learning, we didn't even try more conventional interrogation techniques).
It's not worth it.
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